Bob!!!! You got a Livejournal? Long time no see!!!
Western Civ. generally those cultures currently derived from the the European age of enlightenment, excepting totalitarians. Generally tollerant. usually based on recognition of law and property, somewhat respectful of human rights. Loose definition.
What do you mean by "positive members" in this context? Your phrase "equally indoctrinated parents" seems to imply the production of "positive members" would be the ideological equivalent of cloning; each generation having an uncorrupted copy of the (presumably "correct") ideology of the prior generation. Is this how you see the transmission of Western Civilization occurring?
That's a rather literal view, but "Indoctrinated" may be a bit strong, but acculturated, into the shared values of the culture. But with each generation knowledge and experience is added to it. It's not unchanging, but "positive" means beneficial to the culture in the main. However Bob, you and i do have differentviews on the amounts of conformity (to put it mildly) :-)
don't have a lot of patience for "Arcadian nostalgia" (utopian garden paradise where serene pastoral folk drink, dance and lounge around in an endless summer, i.e. the past is always perfect) but the students of history, sociology, anthropology, etc. I've had occasion to palaver with have commented on the general perception in their fields that many of the cultures encountered by the representatives of Western Civilization were reported to be (in general) much happier before their cultures were destroyed by Western Civilization.
Probably true.
Given that, I'd have to say your perception that tribalism is somehow a "fall" from some higher state or associated with "gangs" is more indicative of the tribal roots of Western Civilization, and is not representative of human tribes in general. Do you think there is there something about the roots of Western Civilization that makes it susceptible to the degeneration and violence you describe?
Well, yes, in that there is a rather heavy educational investment in it, what with it's complexities.
Re: Promote Western Civilization! Go forth and plunder!
Western Civ. generally those cultures currently derived from the the European age of enlightenment, excepting totalitarians. Generally tollerant. usually based on recognition of law and property, somewhat respectful of human rights. Loose definition.
What do you mean by "positive members" in this context? Your phrase "equally indoctrinated parents" seems to imply the production of "positive members" would be the ideological equivalent of cloning; each generation having an uncorrupted copy of the (presumably "correct") ideology of the prior generation. Is this how you see the transmission of Western Civilization occurring?
That's a rather literal view, but "Indoctrinated" may be a bit strong, but acculturated, into the shared values of the culture. But with each generation knowledge and experience is added to it. It's not unchanging, but "positive" means beneficial to the culture in the main. However Bob, you and i do have differentviews on the amounts of conformity (to put it mildly) :-)
don't have a lot of patience for "Arcadian nostalgia" (utopian garden paradise where serene pastoral folk drink, dance and lounge around in an endless summer, i.e. the past is always perfect) but the students of history, sociology, anthropology, etc. I've had occasion to palaver with have commented on the general perception in their fields that many of the cultures encountered by the representatives of Western Civilization were reported to be (in general) much happier before their cultures were destroyed by Western Civilization.
Probably true.
Given that, I'd have to say your perception that tribalism is somehow a "fall" from some higher state or associated with "gangs" is more indicative of the tribal roots of Western Civilization, and is not representative of human tribes in general. Do you think there is there something about the roots of Western Civilization that makes it susceptible to the degeneration and violence you describe?
Well, yes, in that there is a rather heavy educational investment in it, what with it's complexities.
Scott